Zelinsky: After Assange announced 6/12/16 that he had emails pending publication, what was the reaction in the campaign?— Andrew Prokop (@awprokop) November 12, 2019
Gates: One of happiness, it was in a way a gift that we had not sought. The other piece is, we were kind of in disbelief that the info was finally coming out
Gates says Stone told him as far back as April that information would be leaked out by WikiLeaks. So they had been hoping and waiting for it since then.
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6/13/16, day after Assange announcement, Stone emailed Gates: “need guidance on many things, call me”
Did you understand WikiLeaks to be one of those things?
Gates: It was one of many things in the conversation, yes.
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Zelinsky: 6/14/16: DNC announced it had been hacked by Russian government.
6/15:16: Stone texts Gates: "Call me, important"
Gates says he then spoke with Stone. Stone said more information would be coming out of the DNC hack.
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6/15/16, Stone emails Gates asking for contact info for "Murphy" and "Jared"
Gates: Mr. Stone indicated that he wanted to reach out to Mr. Kushner and Mr. Murphy to debrief them on the developments of the DNC announcement.
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But as June went on, Gates says, he and Manafort were skeptical. No information came out. Wondered whether Stone's info was reliable.
So now Zelinsky moves to July 2016.
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Zelinsky: Did Stone indicate whether his information that WikiLeaks would be releasing things was public or private?
Gates: It was not public information.
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Gates said the campaign had "brainstorming sessions" for what to do if WikiLeaks info came out. Participants: Gates, Manafort, Jason Miller, Stephen Miller.
Based both on Assange's public statements and what Stone had told them
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After DNC email release on 7/22/16, Gates says “the campaign was in a state of happiness.” “Anytime you’re in a campaign and damaging information came out about your competitor, it’s helpful.”
Zelinsky asks what Manafort's reaction was, defense objects, and ABJ sustains
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After the release, Gates says Manafort put a call with Stone on speaker.
Stone indicated that additional information would be coming out down the road.
Manafort said that would be great.
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Gates says he also had a conversation with Stone after the DNC release. Where Stone said this was the start of the information coming out that he had spoken of months earlier.
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Manafort asked Gates to follow up with Stone occasionally to find out when the other WikiLeaks info would come out.
Manafort indicated he would update others on the campaign, "including the candidate," Gates says.
Zelinsky: The candidate would be Mr. Trump?"
We know what Gates intends to say, because it's in the Mueller report.— Andrew Prokop (@awprokop) November 12, 2019
"Shortly after the call candidate Trump told Gates that more releases of damaging information would be coming."
But will he be allowed to say it in court? pic.twitter.com/JwfkeY8Ap4
Zelinsky: Did you understand Mr. Stone's updates to be public information?
Gates: He never indicated where the information was from but I believed it was non-public information.
No further questions from prosecutors.
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Rogow is up for cross-examination.
Did you ever tell the government that Stone never talked about WikiLeaks to you and that he never talked about WikiLeaks to Manafort.
Gates: I never said that.
Rogow: Let me show you something.
Prosecutors object.
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Rogow brings up questioning of Gates on January 30, 2018.
Rogow: Did you answer that you did not speak to Stone about WikiLeaks?
Gates: I do not recall answering that way. In fact on a number of occasions I indicated he had.
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Rogow: Do you know what Mr. Stone said to Mr. Trump? (on the call)
Gates: I do not.
Rogow asks, is this the call where you were going from Trump Tower to LaGuardia Airport? Gates says yes.
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Rogow: The other crimes that were dropped against you in Alexandria, do you recall what they were?
Gates: Most of them pertained to foreign bank accounts and not submitting accurate tax returns.
Rogow pressing him on specifics. More than $100K not reported on his tax returns
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Rogow: "Have you committed other crimes besides those crimes for which you were not prosecuted?"
Objection, bench conference.
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Rogow continues to focus on Gates and Manafort's finances, crimes. "Accounts in Cyprus."
Rogow: Did you take any steps to avoid taxes in Cyprus?
Gates: "Actually, in Cyprus, taxes were paid."
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Rogow: Mr. Stone never indicated his source of information (on WikiLeaks) to you, and you don't know his source of information.
Gates says that's right.
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Rogow: How much time elapsed between the Trump/Stone call in the car and Trump's statement (re: more information coming)?
Gates: Less than 30 seconds
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Rogow: Mr. Stone's role in the campaign related to primarily voter registration lists, didn't it?
Gates: Not sure. He didn't have a role by the time I joined campaign. But he often asked about voter registration lists
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Rogow: Mr. Stone, before any information was released, did not tell you this specific information would be released?
Gates: That's correct.
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On redirect, Gates says that he assumed Stone's source was WikiLeaks, that his inside info was coming from WikiLeaks. Says again that he didn't think it was public information.
